between that and between the amount of fact checking done on romney's debate speech, i doubt very much the people will take what ryan says at face value. i think there's going to be ruthless fact checking. >> doesn't mean it's not going to be a substantive debate. >> it should be a substantive debate. i think it will be. i'm saying his reputation as a smart thoughtful guy is crumbling. >> do you think that voters will be looking for something specific at the vp debate? >> echoing what chloe said. there will be this desire for fact checking. if we hear a lot about data which is one of the challenges for thursday's debate. while everybody is interested in the economy, most of the polling shows that latino, asians, who expect to be interested in something different are seeing economy as a top issue. i think as latino and asian voters and other minority voters, what we want to hear about what does this data mean to me, to the bottom line. i'd love to see that happen in the debates. the actual voter. how is the dream going to be accessible to be. >> which is what biden does really, really w